Gas Prices

lotmarker wrote on May 5, 2006:Go to #39

What ever happened to the "Citizen Statesman"?

Seems to be missing in action.

Don wrote on May 5, 2006:Go to #35

This might interest you since I think you said you have some native American ancestry somewhere. The ANWAR area is the home to the only remaining native American (Indians to the rest of you) tribes that still live by their "old ways",

Quote That would be the Inuit, a long ways from Cherokee/ Comanche, by the way, avoid Winstare in Oklahoma, my kin folks are a little crooked. Don’t believe most of the BS coming from the Inuit, they are nothing like the Amish, most are on welfare, don’t work and hunting is too much like work, and live nothing like the old ways. The ones that do live more like the old days live on the island chain in the straight. The drilling site is In an uninhabitable area in the far north, nothing lives there, not even caribou. I'm sure there are a few animals that live there in the winter, caribou show in the arctic circle every spring from the Brooks range. We have those phony amish around here too, they are a bunch of crooks too.

I was referring to the the difference between the real Amish and the so called old time Indians. The drilling area is on the ice sheet, no grass ever. i would still rather drill in Texas were thing are easier and already have a pipline to plug into.

I highly doubt that it is an ice sheet year round , since Prudhoe Bay , Ak is north of that and I know it warms up there enough to loose all the snow and ice on the surface. The cariboe come down from the brooks range and the mesquito's are the biggest I have ever seen, the caribou run to get away from them. Oil and the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge: FAQs CBC News Online | Updated November 4, 2005 What is it? The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) is 7.7 million hectares of protected land in the northeast corner of Alaska, about the size of New Brunswick. It borders on the Yukon and the entire refuge is north of the Arctic Circle. Environmentalists have described it as the American Serengeti – the country's last chunk of pristine wilderness. It is home to caribou, musk oxen, moose, wolves, polar, brown and black bears, and 180 species of migratory birds. The caribou form the huge Porcupine caribou herd, which migrates between Alaska, the Yukon and the Northwest Territories. The refuge has been protected since 1960 when U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower declared that four million hectares of tundra and mountains in the northeastern corner of Alaska be set aside as a protected wildlife refuge. Anybody live there? About 220 Inupiat live in the village of Kaktovik, on Barter Island, just off the coast of Alaska but within the ANWR. The Inupiat are among a handful of peoples in North America still allowed to hunt whale. They can take three bowhead whales a year. About 150 Gwich'in Indians live in Arctic Village, which is about 240 kilometres south of Kaktovik. The Gwich'in rely heavily on the Porcupine caribou herd for food. Why is the area attracting so much attention? Oil. There's a fair bit of it under the frozen tundra – although exactly how much is the subject of debate. The companies that want to get at that oil estimate there's 16 billion barrels waiting to be pumped south – or about 30 years worth of Middle East oil imports. U.S. government geologists have estimated a likely reserve of perhaps 10.4 billion barrels in the 700,000-hectare coastal plain region at the northern end of the ANWR. That's the only part of the refuge where the U.S. government has considered lifting the ban on development. But it would be economically feasible to pump out only a fraction of that reserve. A 1998 study estimated that about 1.9 billion barrels could be recovered at a price of $24 per barrel. Environmentalists and other opponents of opening the area to oil exploration argue there's no way to know how much oil is there. The Union of Concerned Scientists suggests there may be enough oil to fuel vehicles in the United States for six months. It argues that making vehicles more fuel-efficient will save far more oil than Alaska could ever produce.

http://www.nationalreview.com/flashback/goldberg200503180…

A lot of interesting propaganda, especially that last link, BandE was right, I couldn't recall the names but: "About 150 Gwich'in Indians live in Arctic Village, which is about 240 kilometres south of Kaktovik. The Gwich'in rely heavily on the Porcupine caribou herd for food." Now that is them, (both the Indians & the animals) It (like the propaganda link) ignoring the fact that these people are on their ancestral land granted them legally, (unlike EVERY other "Indian reservation" none of which (casinos or not) are on land originally promised to the Indians by OUR federal government.) It also fails to mention this is the only area where these animals calve or breed, and while there may only be 150 permanent residents (that I do not know) there are thousands of the Gwich'in Indians who still speak their native tongue, live much by the "old ways" and are compromised of 5 tribes with 5 chiefs spread from that part of Alaska into Canada (all at about the same northern latitude) who migrate over these areas with those animals. At any rate, Who of you really believes this will lower your price at the pump? Thomas unless you own the mineral rights I bet you gas bill will keep going up to generate that high-dollar electricity or the natural gas you use even if they find it right in your town. But ANWAR and all these things are insignificant. This thread illustrates how easily misdirected "the people" are by the media-corporate-conglomerate. Ignoring the fact ANWAR will not lower the dependence on foreign oil, reduce the price at the pump, strengthen our nation...blah...blah... just make a lot of money for those who already have the most. And don't forget "they" kept saying it wasn't about oil but Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, our own investigators spent a year proving they did not even have a program to start producing them again, after the "fist war" they never rebuilt it. Yes Saddam was a very bad guy, but they have found no ties to 9-11, no ties to al-Queda (all that was in Afghanistan and has moved to Pakistan) Iraq never attacked us...Saudi Arabian's did etc.. But mainly the war that wasn't about oil has resulted in 3 US oil companies getting every drop of the ~1.5 million barrels a day coming from there while our troops spend more time guarding those wells & pipes than hunting bad guys...and the people or Iraq who see no rebuilding, no electricity, no food or clean water or hospitals repaired & re supplied aren't getting any happier and have kind-of figured this deal out. Face it folks, trash ANWAR if it makes you feel warm & fuzzy (I don't live there) but don't say it will benefit anybody but the same people benefiting from the "war" and make those same oil companies and the people in their pockets richer. I WAS a firm believer in attacking Iraq until our own people appointed by President Bush and reporting to our own congress proved there was no imminent threat to the USA or WMD for them to give to al-Queda. It really was about the oil, but our prices have gone up to you & me while the oil company's profits have soared to many times the previous records, ANWAR will be more of the same. But it proves my point, most people watch the major networks and never question what they say...but if you are old enough, take a minute and remember the 60s & 70s (before media deregulation) Do you recall seeing all these "experts" or panelists or whatever after almost every story...No, because there weren't any. And have you noticed they don't really argue the science or facts (about anything, not just Iraq or ANWAR, but ANYTHING)...listen to them and what they really say, they may appear to disagree with each other but basically they tell you what you should THINK about the story or issue, they don't just provide bare facts to give YOU a basis to THINK. Even when they disagree it's usually blamed on the faceless like "right wingers" or "liberals" or the democrats blame the republicans or the republicans blame the democrats for whatever it is. Neither gives facts, figures, and names names & facts then leaves it for you to decide if it is Bush's fault or the democrats or whatever.... Because as long as your mind is wasted on laying blame or making decisions because some retired general said it was right, we really NEED to launch more Billions to Mars because some scientist said some gibberish, the gas prices are either the republicans or the democrats fault (whoever is talking at the time)... your brain isn't engaged in THINKING about facts and what does & doesn't make sense and especially so YOU won't really make up YOUR mind , you will just pick a side and agree., and since they prepared both sides by choosing the "experts" either way you bought the story and formed one of the opinions they served your mental plate... and the odds are very likely (if this thread is an indication) you now even think it's what you believe and is your idea/opinion...and never noticed what happened... Exactly the tactic (word for word) used by the "Ministry of Truth" in 1984 ... Orwell was just 15-20 years off on the dates

Quoting lotmarker, May 04, 2006 (that post is not in this thread):

I will say one thing...It's obvious from the intellect flying around here that evidently paint fumes do not kill brain cells! Maybe we should bottle some and ship them to Washington DC for the pols there! *snicker* thats not intellect flying around....lol

Don wrote on May 7, 2006:Go to #46

Thomas unless you own the mineral rights I bet you gas bill will keep going up to generate that high-dollar electricity or the natural gas you use even if they find it right in your town.

Yes Don, I do own the rights, and my lawyer has been all over the contract and the expected payout will make my future SSI entitlements look like pocket change. Almost every property out here has a drill going. I never buy land without the inclusion of mineral rights. My home is all electric and the Co-Op keeps the prices down.

BornToStripe wrote on May 7, 2006:Go to #47

Quoting lotmarker, May 04, 2006 (that post is not in this thread):

I will say one thing...It's obvious from the intellect flying around here that evidently paint fumes do not kill brain cells! Maybe we should bottle some and ship them to Washington DC for the pols there! *snicker* thats not intellect flying around....lol

A little ego and a little intellect and the monkey boys are spinning around in circles trying to figure out how to use this against us. They just can’t comprehend how friend can argue and still be friends.

straightline wrote on May 7, 2006:Go to #48

Yes Don, I do own the rights, and my lawyer has been all over the contract and the expected payout will make my future SSI entitlements look like pocket change. Almost every property out here has a drill going. I never buy land without the inclusion of mineral rights. My home is all electric and the Co-Op keeps the prices down.

Am I ever jealous! Iin this area there is one (very wealthy) family who has most of them... but anyhow you can't get land with mineral rights for love nor money. The best I know was a late uncle I had that got some land about an hour from here with 1/4 mineral rights. (Because there was nothing on it) and the nearest co-op electric is 50 miles away. The family that owns all the mineral rights to most of the land around these parts (and also their own natural gas refinery and the ONLY privately owned ski resort in Colorado) are all also pilots. The "daddy" of the family had the "honor" of flying then Gubernatorial candidate George W. Bush all over the state to announce his first run for governor and it couldn't possibly be local politics but the heir-apparent son has a "home/lake/farm/ranch something" with a huge mansion & private airstrip & hanger that strangely enough is surrounded by the city limits but isn't "in" the city so gets both farm/ranch exemptions and no city taxes (Plus the "lake" was funded by the Texas soil Conservation fund, concrete dam & all, and the place actually stretches from one entrance (nobody has ever seen the house but I hear it's not small) that's on the highway in the centerline of town to a roadway north of the city limits...where it then butt's up against his aunts place that keeps on going...this family is powerful enough when Alice Walton bought her "spread" here she didn't like the way the service trucks got to some of his some of his gas wells on it and got her team of lawyers to make them change... unsucessfully ...

Don wrote on May 8, 2006:Go to #50

Am I ever jealous! Iin this area there is one (very wealthy) family who has most of them... but anyhow you can't get land with mineral rights for love nor money.

You can, but it’s a pain in the butt. XTO tried to buy them from me for 500 bucks, every month or so it would go up another hundred, all the land owners held out till they agreed on a standard lease. Where you live there is a lot of old money still sitting on land. You should check with the county and see if the mineral rights on you plot could be considered abandoned, then it’s only a filling fee to get the transfer. As far as the Co-Op, the service are is determined by people with small brains at the state level.

well if it makes you feel any better they are paying £4 a gallon over in the U.K (scotland) thats $7.46152 USD a gallon.

Meh...what are you going on about...you can drive across England in like 20 minutes, and all their cars are 2 cylinder wheezers that top out at 100 kph. Now if cars in England ran on beer, then there would be a crisis.....

"loved that if cars in England ran on beer there would be a crisis" how true ! just text all me mates back home! come to think of it if Iraq suplied the beer the war would have been well over by now.

Rip off the body, move the controls to the center of the back seat and add a set of ape hanger handlebars....instant chopper!

Ken, I can just see you pulling up in that thing at Sturges.

wend wrote on May 10, 2006:Go to #52

well if it makes you feel any better they are paying £4 a gallon over in the U.K (scotland) thats $7.46152 USD a gallon.

That's because bush and blair are buddies, Bush is showing Blair how to really line his pockets. Maybe instead of a tea party, we should have a diesel/gas party.

Jeez.

It's always been higher in the UK.

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Gasoline prices in the United States, which have recently hit record highs, are actually much lower than in many countries. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S. The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc. In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005. Nation City Price in USD Regular/Gallon Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48 Norway Oslo $6.27 Italy Milan $5.96 Denmark Copenhagen $5.93 Belgium Brussels $5.91 Sweden Stockholm $5.80 United Kingdom London $5.79 Germany Frankfurt $5.57 France Paris $5.54 Portugal Lisbon $5.35 Hungary Budapest $4.94 Luxembourg $4.82 Croatia Zagreb $4.81 Ireland Dublin $4.78 Switzerland Geneva $4.74 Spain Madrid $4.55 Japan Tokyo $4.24 Czech Republic Prague $4.19 Romania Bucharest $4.09 Andorra $4.08 Estonia Tallinn $3.62 Bulgaria Sofia $3.52 Brazil Brasilia $3.12 Cuba Havana $3.03 Taiwan Taipei $2.84 Lebanon Beirut $2.63 South Africa Johannesburg $2.62 Nicaragua Managua $2.61 Panama Panama City $2.19 Russia Moscow $2.10 Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74 Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91 Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78 Egypt Cairo $0.65 Nigeria Lagos $0.38 Venezuela Caracas $0.12 Source: air-inc.com