Inside Warehouse Striping

Allnightlong, I don't know what the "F" your doing "Allnightlong", but (expletive) man, read the freakin' post. H&C is the brand. It is not water based, so that makes it a chemical based product being that it needs xylene solvent for cleanup. By the way, it is "Clear Terrazo". Sheesh!

What is the problem people, can't anyone tell me the name of the H&C product? H&C does not make a Terrazzo sealer as such.

yea ok I apologize. I was feeling a little abrasive at the time however from the posts that stripes has up I would say its a solvent based clear concrete sealer from h&c that he's getting at sw.

Please do not assume. That is why I asked Stripes what the name of the product is he uses from H&C. What is it Stripes?

I am sure if you bring this info to a SW near you they can hook you up with the product you desire. This is the only business I know of where competitors are willing to help each other solve problems and learn how how break into a new business....however don't expect to not have to do any research on your own. I wouldn't want to risk alienating myself from their help. They have lots to teach....but they are under no obligation to help.

Man you guys are driving me nuts.... Try this "allnightlong". all you have to do do is google/search H & C clear terazzo sealey and voila....... http://www.sherwinwilliams.com/APPS/PICKPROS/display.asp?…

dbarnettt, stripes said in his post "It is H & C brand available at SW. dbarnettt, the web site you posted " http://www.sherwinwilliams.com/APPS/PICKPROS/display.asp?… " is a S&W Terrazzo sealer, and if you read the cautions on the 2nd page, it says "Not suitable for use on floors where there will be automobile or truck traffic." Stripes said he uses an H&C product. It looks like to me most that posted on this thread assumed what product was used. Is Stripes the only one that knows the product?

Sometimes a product can be used for an "unconventional" purpose. This may not be how SW intended the product be used, but someone figured out that it works.

drandaz, I don't think you understand, and assume things that are not so. Stripes used the Terrazzo sealer from S&W but changed to a H&C product. There had to be a reason to switch. If S&W says it is not for automobile or truck traffic, then fork truck traffic would deterate just as fast or faster. The only thing that is "unconventional" is assuming something someone says works, and then you try it and find out the hard way that it don't, and it costs you more time and more material to fix what it caused.

My point wasn't that this was the specific product. My point was....do your own research! It took me all of two seconds to find that site. I didn't really care to read the all the information to find the info you needed. I understand you're new to the forum, but if you stay tuned long enough, you'll see that most everything on here is rehashed several times a year(including Ken's method for striping warehouses). Simply put do a search on the forum and if you don't have any luck, check the web....worse case scenario, pick up the phone and call Ken. You wouldn't be the first to do so. Lord knows, most of us have at one time or another. Best I could tell, "terazzo" is not a color or type of paint, but a type of surface(tile). Like say....concrete. If you read a little further on the link I posted, you'll notice, that they use the H&C name for every product BUT the actual sealer. I would think, that's a big enough hint as to what brand sealer they recommend.

dbarnettt, I did search both sites, and I like how everyone wants to give advice, but don't know the right product to use. Doesn't anyone know the specific H&C product? What is the specific H&C product you use on warehouse floors Stripes?

Hey allnight, I think your name says it all. Get some sleep and maybe by monday morning things will be a little more clleeaarr for you.

hey allnight... Im the one who went to S/W and picked the stuff up... walk in the door and tell them you want a five of Terrazzo sealer... ITS THAT SIMPLE.... YOUR MAKING A BIG ORDEAL OUTTA NOTHING!...

RippedHog, why would I want to use S&W Terrazzo Sealer (which also has aromatic hydrocarbons)when it will not hold up to traffic? Or do you want to redo it every few years? Even Stripes switched to H&C products, there has to be a reason why. Do you think it is because it doesn't hold up? Why would I want to use a solvent base material in a warehouse, where there is a potential for an explosion? I would think that anyone would want to use a water base material over a solvent base, where the cost to clean up is less. I hope the (solvent) product that Stripes uses is available in a water base.

While I appreciate the spirit of your argument here, it's gone beyond redundant. Obviously, you have your questions about the process that Ken uses. If that is the case, use your own time and money and figure out a better one. To answer your questions....1) apparently the product he uses does hold up for an acceptable amount of time ( in my book three+ years is acceptable). 2) Most warehouses I've been in are large enough and have sufficient ventelation to use such a product (maybe your case is different) 3) And I can answer this with a question of my own....why would anyone use a water-based product over a solvent based product. Answer.. they shouldn't ,unless there was an obvious safety issue. It's simple... Time is money. For most of us that stay busy year round (especially here in Texas), Drying time is key on any project. I've never heard of water-based product that will dry as quick as a solvent based product. Better yet, one that I can leave in my machine for months at a time with no problems. I guarantee, that if you figure the time I would spend flushing my machines out DAILY, and weighed it against the cost of the solvent I use actually cleaning my machines, I'll come out ahead 100 times over. DO us all a favor and go down to S/W and look at the product that they stock. To my recollection, they don't even stock a S/W brand sealer. Anytime I've bought concrete stain or sealer there, it has always been H & C brand. Yes, they do offer some H & C water based stains. I do not know about a sealer. While you're there, ask those geniuses if they can recommend a better process/method for doing such a project. At least you can blame them if it doesn't work out.

It looks to me like you (dbarnettt) are the one that wants to argue. I have no argument. If in your mind it's gone beyond redundant, that's your problem and you know everything there is to know (except what H&C product solvent or water base can be used and how to use it). My only question is, what is the H&C product Stripes uses. Obviously, Stripes doesn't know his self, nor does any of the other posters. That tells me if they do warehouse floors then the only product they know of to use is the one Stripes used to use (S&W Terrazzo Sealer). RippedHog said he used it, and apparently didn't read the caution statement or didn't care how long it lasts. In one of Stripes posts he said he didn't warrenty his work, now that tells me a lot about his work. Apparently Stripes doesn't want to say what he is using. I noticed he was on the site but posted elseware, (Re: Removing paint from warehouse floors « Reply #9 on: Today at 02:49:08 PM » Don't you want anyone to know Stripes?

Allnightwrong. Geez, Dude get a clue. If they are doing warehouse floors, I would think, and you should too, that it is an H&C Clear Concrete Sealer. Try it the F out and go from there. RippedHog, who is working with Ken is telling you what to ask for. Now, whether it lasts or not, Three years is plenty of time on a previous job. Just freakin' do it. Steps to do it are 5. 1-Clean 2-layout 3-apply clear sealer 4-Lay down your stripes 5-apply clear sealer. There. Happy now? @#$%*(^^$##@

Sorry, Do min go you are assuming. I don't care what all you other people say because you are assuming as well. I want to hear it from Stripes what he uses and that may not even be the right product to use. RippedHog, may have used S&W Terrazzo sealer but I know better than to use it. Do you think someone at S&W is going to tell me the right product to use? I doubt it. I have talked to people at H&C and they can't give me the right product to use. Cat got your tong Stripes?

Maybe Stripes DOES NOT READ THIS PARTICULAR SECTION. I haven't noticed him posting in this particular thread, so he probably does not know it exists. I check this section about every two weeks. Maybe you should send him a PM (Personal Message) or maybe an email. Also not everyone will like Stripes method. It works for him in his particular situation. Everyone is free to design their own system. Or you can use: Straight zone marking paint (lasts about three days) Epoxy (lasts a long, long time, but try getting someone to pay for it)

Allnight...I'm just wondering...do you have a problem with Ken and is your real purpose here to call him out and challenge him? Maybe he's not answering because he knows your looking for him. I think you've been given plenty of info to figure the rest out yourself. It's been said here many times what works for one may not work for another. Take what you can use from this site and everything else leave here. Just like everybody has their own opinions on paint...you have to try a couple different sealers and see what works for you...I know some people just like to argue but this is getting a little silly...don't you think? I guess my real question is why the persistence on Ken answering? You've gotten answers from other very knowledgeable, experienced stripers (including one who told you he picked the sealer up at S/W for the last warehouse job Ken did). Jay PS As far as talking to S/W or any other manufacturer about the right product to use...I don't think there is a product that was developed specifically for this use...somebody tried it, it worked and they passed it along. S/W or H&C is not going to assume responsibility by telling you to use their product for something it was not intended for. Anybody feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.