2 lines?

Hey I am in the process of getting a line lazer 4 They are going to give me the second with the sprayer But I have yet to spray a double line It would help with the stop bars But you are not talking about alot of I have done If you have the second gun when it is time to clean it out do you have to clean out the second gun line also? If you could guess How many jobs to you do with a second gun? I know If I don't get it there will be a job that will come up that needs one. But is it going to be worth it when I would hardly ever use it? Thanks ya'll -Dean

It helps with Stop bars, painting stencils, Curbs and when you do stalls with Double lines. I have a double gun on both my machines and I only once in a while or if i use it. Dave

I would say I use mine often. Short hose for spraying the lines with your favorite tip say 319- 421 . and I use the long blue Anaconda with a 215 or so for stencils. This way you have two tips to choose from. Of coarse I'm one to have 6 or seven rods and reels on deck also when fishing , each with a different lure...

They are giving you a 500.00 plus option, someone correct me if I am wrong. There are many things you can do with that second gun besides have to worry about another one to clean! And if you pass it up now, you'll be spending the bucks later when a job requires it. Here are a few ideas. The two gun stop bar. One gun on the right, one on the left. One gun forward, one gun back, same side. How about a spare gun, just in case?

When doing apartments or other thing with cars on the lot a gun on each side makes things go faster. Learned that from \\Stripes//.

RandyV runs two guns mounted at all times...one on the left and one on the right. I don't have that luxury because of limited space in the trailer due to the necessity of mulitple dedicated color machines. Instead of running two guns, I use the "second gun bracket". With the bracket changing sides is quick and easy. Plus, it allows you to remove the gun and holder rapidly when loading back into the trailer.

And if you do jobs with double-stripes there is absolutely no comparison. Even the best of us can't get the spacing as uniform as having the 2 guns mounted at that fixed spacing and it is REALLY obvious if a less experienced striper tries to do a double-line lot with a single gun. Plus as others have already said there are lots of other uses for that second gun, take the deal by all means.

We just restriped 2500 double lined stalls. It took 2 guys 4 hours to paint the double lines and another 1 hour to cap and spray the centerlines. If you have the possibility of doing double lines invest now and save your self the headaches in the future. JIM

Good advice!!!

Back in the olden days, pre-airless-double-gun-setup, I had a pair of poles with "tee's" on the bottom. At each end of the tee was a string going to the corresponding tee on the other pole. We'd center the poles, shoot up one string and back down the other for double line spaces. Necessity is the mother of invention....

I realize that these Markers for ADA requirements, for the visually impaired, have not yet been implemented. I also know that this was discussed on the old site. However I do need to know about a possible supplier for a job that I am biding. Any help would be appreciated. Bob

Hey Bob, Is that AKA detectable warnings? if so I believe you can get some preformed thermo plastic ones that install very easy with a torch. I would assume the larger MFg like Flint would have them.

Bob, try Flint Trading. They have a product that might work for you. http://www.flinttrading.com/

The ones around here that were put down last fall have all failed. some were put down with a tourch and some with epoxy. seems the moisture got underneeth and froze then the plows came along and scraped most of them off. I contacted this co. about there produce but the price was way out of reason to become one of there aplicators. You may find a dealer in your area. The product looks as if it will work ware others have failed. oops the link is on the office puter I will post it latter today. Dwan

The ADA requirements are actually in full effect when the 10 year probation period ended (2001). It's under the Justice Department code(through the FHWA) & many States have switched their spec's to accomodate , but some are still lagging, or being stubborn. Further evidence is the amount of lawsuits targeting business, as well as some governments, specifically the Hotel industry & the state of California. There's been testing done for a few years now, and the Winners seem to be the ones which have been making these products for the Transit Systems for 15-20 years. I spent 2 days last week doing some testing & looking at ( and pointing out) many failed products to 2 State agencies, including 3 top engineers who are fed up with failures of the "endless" new products coming out. There really is a lot more to these products than having "bumps". The actual law states the attributes necessary for "Truncated Domes", including- 1)Color differential from surrounding area &Weathering (color fading)...Yes it sounds kinda funny considering it's for blind people, but this is for the people with a visual impairment, but not totally blind, or for those individuals losing their eyesite they have been accustomed to their entire life. 2) Distinct "sound" properties, when a cane glides over the domes. (CA- requires a sound plate, which is basically a air-pocket in the fiberglass poly types. 3)wear resistant Etc. Ok...to be totally honest, I am a bit biased on this product due to my company's position in the Concrete/Highway marketplace, and our association with the "brand"... "Armor-Tile" Hopefully, my past posts have shown I'm not typically biased, such as the case in cracksealants. There's a few excellent mfg of both equipment & sealants, but in the case of the domes, there are way too many hungry people trying to make a quick buck by inferior products. In closing, I hesitated writing this since I am (currently) a supplier, but (I've been a contractor) & when I get a call from the Top Engineers from the State asking me what they can do, I really think it's worth mentioning here. Unfortunately in these cases of "failures" the contractor is left holding the bag, since every mfg. has claimed there isn't a problem, or it's application error. Neither of which offers any solution. I suggest you at least look into the products enough to make an informed decision. Cheaper doesn't mean much when you have to go back & replace 8 ramps that were put down at a jobsite(Hospital), especially considering the project hasn't been completed yet.

Here's a couple of leads for ADA tactile warning mats. http://www.fltranscor.com/ADA_supplies/mats.htm flame applied: about $384.00 for four 2' x 2' sheets http://www.zumar.com/catalog/index.html also heat applied, not on web site but they carry it. http://www.tssco.com/detectable_warning_systems.html Applied with adhesive. About 1/3 the cost of heat applied but a pain to install correctly.

Like STRIPES says, the second gun holder is worth it's weight in gold. In six plus years, I've never even hooked up that second gun/hose. Although, I've found the hose useful for emergencies(blown return hose on my LL3000). The only regular job I have with double lines, was obviously done with a single gun, since the spacing is so out of wack Anyway, if they're giving it to you, TAKE IT.

I have yet to see any kind of add-on that will meet the specs and hold up for more than a year. The only thing I have seen that works is tiles or bricks. I'm still trying to get paid for a municipal job where we did a lot of ADA spaces and street crosswalks. The general contractor cut curbs and installed hadicap ramps and thought they could pour colored concrete for the ramp part and then stamp it to get the truncated domes. Their domes were too irregular and didn't pass inspection.

We operate as Ken mentioned with a gun on each side of the machine except for when doing a lot of stop bars, double yellow or double stall lines. I would not own a machine larger than a Graco 3000 without a double gun set-up.

Having the gun holder on the left side is important because there is constantly a car parked on the left of the line you need to do. As far as the second gun and hose, I don't use it because, yes you do have to clean out that second line every time you clean the machine. As far as doing stop bars, unless you have many to do, it is faster to use one gun than it takes to attach and align both guns on the same side.