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Discussion in Striping & Marking started by FloridaStriper (unclaimed legacy handle), Oct 15, 2006. 14 replies, last reply Oct 17, 2006.

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After reading all of the various posts on types of paints as well as manufacturers, I think I have become more confused on that subject. Most like Sherman Williams but don't like Ennis. There are pros and cons to solvent based and waterborne paints alike. One is better on concrete while the other is more suitable for asphalt and sealcoating. Like I stated in some of my previous posts, I am a newbie just getting into the business. My business is based in Florida so it will be mostly year round work for me. Does the Florida heat have an affect on what type of paints that are to be used? Does anyone have any experience with Safety Coatings? www.safetycoatings.com I guess I need to just talk to the manufacturers and see what they would recommend for each type of application and then compare the results to all of the different manufacturers. Any clarifaction and insight would definitely help. Hopefully I don't get even more confused then I already am.

FloridaStriper, Report#1
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle

After reading all of the various posts on types of paints as well as manufacturers, I think I have become more confused on that subject. Most like Sherman Williams but don't like Ennis. There are pros and cons to solvent based and waterborne paints alike. One is better on concrete while the other is more suitable for asphalt and sealcoating. Like I stated in some of my previous posts, I am a newbie just getting into the business. My business is based in Florida so it will be mostly year round work for me. Does the Florida heat have an affect on what type of paints that are to be used? Does anyone have any experience with Safety Coatings? www.safetycoatings.com I guess I need to just talk to the manufacturers and see what they would recommend for each type of application and then compare the results to all of the different manufacturers. Any clarifaction and insight would definitely help. Hopefully I don't get even more confused then I already am.

FloridaStriper, Report#2
krisUnclaimed legacy handle
krisUnclaimed legacy handle

All right here it goes. cold temps below 50 or night time work solvent based paint. (alkyd or chlorinated rubber) striping on concrete CR is best. waterborne (latex) for everything else Up here in PA I use CR in the early part of the season because its still cold out. Then its waterborne all summer. this week will be the end of the waterborne for me. Next order I'll go back to CR till it snows.

kris, Report#3
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All right here it goes. cold temps below 50 or night time work solvent based paint. (alkyd or chlorinated rubber) striping on concrete CR is best. waterborne (latex) for everything else Up here in PA I use CR in the early part of the season because its still cold out. Then its waterborne all summer. this week will be the end of the waterborne for me. Next order I'll go back to CR till it snows.

kris, Report#4
BornToStripeUnclaimed legacy handle
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I <3 Alkyd 24/7/365 English version: I love alkyd all the time. I use waterborne only when someone puts a gun to my head. Alkyd can stay in the machine all year long with no ill effects. It's a lot more forgiving than my ex-wife. Lots of stripers are "afraid" of alkyd because it has flammable VOC solvents in it. I've been using it for 30+ years and have never had any mishaps (lord knows I've tried). I hear tell of some people who've lost eyebrows to it, but I can't claim such happenings.

BornToStripe, Report#5
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I <3 Alkyd 24/7/365 English version: I love alkyd all the time. I use waterborne only when someone puts a gun to my head. Alkyd can stay in the machine all year long with no ill effects. It's a lot more forgiving than my ex-wife. Lots of stripers are "afraid" of alkyd because it has flammable VOC solvents in it. I've been using it for 30+ years and have never had any mishaps (lord knows I've tried). I hear tell of some people who've lost eyebrows to it, but I can't claim such happenings.

BornToStripe, Report#6
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I represent that insinuation of burnt eyebrows (and ringing eardrums I might add) . . . . . I am like BornToStripe, always alkyd except when we have to use latex to meet a job specification or for painting on sealcoat.

RandyV, Report#7
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I represent that insinuation of burnt eyebrows (and ringing eardrums I might add) . . . . . I am like BornToStripe, always alkyd except when we have to use latex to meet a job specification or for painting on sealcoat.

RandyV, Report#8
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle

So basically an alkyd is more versatile. It can be used in colder temps and warmer temps. On concrete and Asphalt as well??? Waterborne on sealcoat definitely. Does the alkyd paint last longer then waterborne does?? How long should you wait before applying paint to newly laid asphalt and should you use alkyd or waterborne paint on new asphalt? I guess alot of my questions will also be answered at NPE in January as well. Are there seminars there for our end of the industry? And if so how do I sign up for them? Thanks for all of your help thus far. I have really been learning alot and I will tell you. This seems like one of the only industries where fellow competitors will help each other out so much.

FloridaStriper, Report#9
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle
FloridaStriperUnclaimed legacy handle

So basically an alkyd is more versatile. It can be used in colder temps and warmer temps. On concrete and Asphalt as well??? Waterborne on sealcoat definitely. Does the alkyd paint last longer then waterborne does?? How long should you wait before applying paint to newly laid asphalt and should you use alkyd or waterborne paint on new asphalt? I guess alot of my questions will also be answered at NPE in January as well. Are there seminars there for our end of the industry? And if so how do I sign up for them? Thanks for all of your help thus far. I have really been learning alot and I will tell you. This seems like one of the only industries where fellow competitors will help each other out so much.

FloridaStriper, Report#10
krisUnclaimed legacy handle
krisUnclaimed legacy handle

I've painted new asphalt with both waterborne and alkyd as soon as the rollers got out of my way.

kris, Report#11
Ace StriperUnclaimed legacy handle
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Is Alkyd the same thing as regular Oil-based paint? Just another term?

Ace Striper, Report#13
BornToStripeUnclaimed legacy handle
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Alkyd is oil based paint. Chlorinated Rubber is alkyd modified with chlorinated rubber. Waterborne, Acrylic, etc. are paints that are non-oil based. On longevity: I once had the opportunity to paint a newly paved shopping center with SW Alkyd, SW C/R and SW Waterborne. This was before Graco's had computers, so I tried to make everything equal. There seemed to be little difference in longevity, but SW has changed the forumlation on all their paints since then. I just use the best straight alkyd I can get from SW....unless someone specs something else.

BornToStripe, Report#14
krisUnclaimed legacy handle
krisUnclaimed legacy handle

I've painted new asphalt with both waterborne and alkyd as soon as the rollers got out of my way.

kris, Report#15

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