Targets and Genesis Management corp

Has anyone done work for them? And whats Up with 3 days to try to bid them? Do they pay in a timely manner? You know 30 60 90days? What they want done in each store is a lot for a 2 man crew. I am in Tombstone AZ. we don't have a real abidance of parking lots most are gravel.So please tell me whats really wrong with this picture.

Got the same call as last year wanting an estimate for the Targets located within 100 Mi of my home base. Told young man on other end not interested as for the last four years have received the same call from past management co and had outside striping company come through and do the work. Not interested in doing leg work for others. Bob

I have heard that Genesis is better than most management companys, however we did the same thing a few years back, we did all the leg work and ran aorund to many Rite-Aid stores, and prepared proposals in a very short time, to have the stores either not done, or done by an outside contractor. I hear more and more of people with less than favorable experiences with management companys , I would use caution when working with them, however on the flip side, landing the job, could mean lots of work....

My experience has been: 1) Get called Thursday afternoon for 10+ prices that have to be done by 7:00AM Monday. Strict specifications in bid 2) Do the legwork and meet the deadline 3) Some lowballer comes in and does incredibly crappy work ignoring specifications 4) Everybody loses except middle man, who makes a few phone calls, never visits the sites and takes a percentage. A) Property Owner gets crappy job B) Striper cuts his profitability C) Next contractor has to attempt to correct problems or perpetuate them That seems to be the way of American business today. Pass the responsibility to someone else.

I had the same experience. Quote 75 or so stores in two days please, be really cheap and, OH YEAH...guarantee everything for two years!!! Think I'll stick to the mid-sized jobs where I can make higher profits and build long term relationships with my customers. These guys are going to go low bid every time...no matter how great of a job you did.

yea they want us to route and seal cracks then restripe for around $1500. Sorry Sir but to be honest I'm not going to waste my time even looking.

kris wrote on May 12, 2006:Go to #6

yea they want us to route and seal cracks then restripe for around $1500. Sorry Sir but to be honest I'm not going to waste my time even looking.

Not bad money.....if you can do 3 or 4 a night and don't have to travel far.

I agree with Kris, I wouldn't even give that offer a second thought...no matter how many stores I could do in a night. After all, we ain't talkin 7-11's, we're talkin Target, and $1,500.00 to rout cracks, reseal and re-stripe for that price ain't gonna fly.

Target for $1.500.00 impossible to it right at that price. with no cracks.who do they think they are for asking fro such a low price...WalMart??

Last Target I was at would have taken 50 gal. paint. I would think $1500 profit would be about right,. That is for a 1 man operation.

We got the contract for 18 targets, we bid on 33 total. You wouldnt believe the low ball pricing we were dealing with. These guys are doing 800 double line stalls with hairpain caps, 10,000 feet of single line, 1000 feet of curb, 26 handicap, 17 stop bars for less than 4000.00. Jim

"hairpain caps" lol. The lowest priced Target I ever bid was about $1500 for an old style small Target with just spaces, speedbumps and a crosswalk. Obviously the same types of contractors who have gone a long way towards ruining sealcoating's reputation are working on striping now. One of my long time customers bowed to upper level management's budget pressure last year and used one of these lowballers. The company painted all of the light poles and bollards with traffic paint, and there is overspray everywhere. Somehow they failed to paint the lines down the center of the parking bays, put so much paint on the curbs that they are flaking like crazy, and blacked out every stencil on every center. The blackout is wearing thin now, and now you see two stencils.... We had gone thru every one of the 26 centers and stripped the curbs of paint, painted all of the lightpole bases and bollards with industrial enamel and removed all of the non-standard stencils and replaced with stencils that matched standard stencils. Oh effing well!

Jim, that sounds like around $0.08/ft for 4" line plus special markings (stencils, stop bars etc). Most stripers can do that price all night long if it is local and make good money (maybe not Dwan) but you have to work smart which means work at night, use lazy liners, large orifice tips to go like (expletive) and not make return trips. Do we want to work at that price? he!! no. I'd rather be able to charge 50% more than that for restripe. Especially if it is not a local job. $0.08/lft does not leave much room for return trips or spending the extra time on the job to make it look as good as it could or should.

8 cent a foot? darn we have to charge 10 cents a foot to spray water...overhead and gas kills a fulltime striper...

BTS, Call me stupid, but i use striping Paint to paint bollards and light pole bases. What should we be using? This enamel you speak of is it sprayed?, if so sounds like another machine needed. We use Waterborne paint and just paint the bases and bollards as if we were doing curbing.

If we show up on a job and find we have to do a bollard or two, we use traffic paint and spray it but if we know there are a lot of bollards and light pole bases to paint before we get there, we buy industrial enamel safety yellow and use a 4" roller. It is a bit slower than spraying but it is still quick enough and it looks better and lasts much longer than traffic paint.

Speaking of bases. Within reason I try to do all my repaeat customers with oil base safety yellow, I too will take the time to roll them unless there are lots then I put that paint in the sprayer and spray. This way the next yr. there I will only have to touch one or two up but not have to redo them all. This truely in my opinion make the end result look professional. Respraying the bases with traffic paint goes on heavy then after 3 years builds up so much it can't stay on the surface and then starts peeling up and flaking off looking like CRAP. One of my customers now has put that right in there contract that no longer can bases and bollards be spryed with traffic paint. They have realized how much more professional the job looks afterward. The biggest problem I have encountered is that not all brands of safety yellow are the same yellow! And the paint is double to triple the cost of traffic paint. Blaine

What Randy and BeeJay said! IMHO, painting light pole bases and bollards with traffic paint is not doing you or your customers any favors. Industrial enamal is a much better solution. Particularly if you try to spray them using a LineLazer tip that is intended to spray a heavy narrow line. And unless you mask the metal pole base and the asphalt (or concrete) around the pole base, you will most likely get overspray. HORRORS!

Also watch the wind. Unlike traffic marking paint, industrial enamel will travel a very looooong way and still stick to whatever it first contacts.

I hope I'm not seen as invading territory here, but I work for Genesis. If someone asked somebody to bid on sealcoating as well as striping for Target, I apologize. We only wanted bids on striping. No sealcoating, no sweeping, nothing else. All the details are listed in the bid package and nowhere does it say anything about sealcoating. I have personally called people back to have them correct their bids because it included sealcoating. I've only been working for Genesis for a few weeks now, but I just ran across this forum and thought I should sort of defend us.